00:00:07: My name is Serena Kukka and I cordially welcome you to my podcast, Neue Musikleden.

00:00:13: I have studied classical singing And i sing lots of contemporary and experimental music... ...and do performance on all that.

00:00:23: It's a great mixture of classical singing and adamant chord singing.

00:00:28: If you would like know more about me please look at the website www.ienekeorke.de.

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00:00:41: And in this podcast, i talk about themes all around contemporary and new music... ...I share with you behind the scenes inside our knowledge.. ..and bring your human beings out of these great music world closer!

00:01:05: you can actually have it in print and online digital.

00:01:11: In today's episode, I talked to the composer Lars Skoglund And yeah!

00:01:18: i really enjoyed this talk with Lars Skoklund from Oslo... ...and let´s dive now into this interview with Lars.

00:01:26: Hello and good morning, Lars Skolklund

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00:01:29: welcome into my podcast today.

00:01:31: Thank You very much.

00:01:33: I would like to know first, how did you find your way into this new and experimental

00:01:55: music?

00:01:59: whatever was on the radio and I liked rock music very much, so i wanted to play drums but then i got a chance to learn guitar at nine.

00:02:07: And quite quickly.

00:02:09: it was interested in hard rock especially and guitar solos even if only had an acoustic guitar that time... But yeah!

00:02:21: The hard rock music sort of led into more noisy interest.

00:02:25: for more noisy expressions I started to buy LPs and records in tapes when i was ten, twelve or eleven-twelve.

00:02:35: And also had a neighbor second cousin who has lots of LPs.

00:02:38: he's got a lot of Pink Floyd LPs that were very exciting for me at the age.

00:02:45: I taped them from him and listened very much to it.

00:02:50: Also discovered music by Frank Zappa which is important.

00:02:56: still listen this day.

00:02:59: and yeah, I'm also finding music out.

00:03:03: Yeah a lot on the radio.

00:03:04: actually it wasn't so much but when there was something i usually had a little cassette ready to record.

00:03:10: And at sixteen I went to high school... ...I have moved away from small place called Hamarøy and I had to move like ten or nine hundred kilometers further north to Surtland where they had a highschool with music.

00:03:26: take music lessons there and then we started to learn about it more in music history.

00:03:35: I think actually our teacher didn't know so much, he just played the records!

00:03:39: We listened very much in the history classes.

00:03:44: Experimental rock was really their way... at fifteen we had this confirmation.

00:03:51: I got some money and then bought myself a four track studio, cassette studio that used our lot to play in rock bands and made sort of normal songs for our band but also just experimented with whatever sounds i could record myself turn the tape backwards and speed it up down little bit things like these

00:04:12: right?

00:04:13: And how did you get into composing?

00:04:16: Yeah, I think i was already into the composing at that point.

00:04:21: Maybe I didn't know it myself but... ...I started trying to write down music on a note paper Already at that age in like eleven twelve thirteen years old and remember bought a score actually about scoring.

00:04:38: I Think it was fourteen or fifteen.

00:04:40: It was transcription of tubular bells by Mike Oldfield which also brought an LP same day.

00:04:47: and yeah I wasn't maybe super hand of the music but it was very nice to see.

00:04:53: It's written down, that just... That was very inspiring!

00:04:56: Just sort-of seeing this link.

00:04:58: And then when i bought my own studio i talked about them started making little pieces there and later right because it became on the market software and computer programs you could then used to write notes and have them played back.

00:05:15: I think i was eighteen maybe the first time i tried this, nineteen years old?

00:05:21: And that was super exciting of course but already then it also a bit disappointed by sound quality!

00:05:26: I thought real instruments sound much nicer than these keyboards yeah.. But...I had dreams about becoming a composer.

00:05:37: from teenage age on First time I really had a stronger experience of classical or, let's say... Orchestra music was Stravinsky.

00:05:50: We heard Petrushka and Lesaker in the Music History, And i thought it was incredible!

00:05:56: Music has really loved it.

00:05:58: Today i'm going to hear Lesaker live actually this evening.

00:06:02: Night tomorrow?

00:06:03: Tomorrow night in Oslo.

00:06:05: Oh how beautiful great Great.

00:06:09: And did you then also get to study the composition, or how did it develop further?

00:06:15: I mean

00:06:16: doing

00:06:16: so much now...

00:06:18: Yeah i didn't apply for anything after high school at thought about but this was still a bit far away and there's only one school.

00:06:32: that time we could study in one academy And I thought, ah...I wasn't so sure.

00:06:39: I went to study musicology instead at the University in Trondheim In the middle of Norway and there.

00:06:46: but then i was going through all kinds of concerts that i could and this sort of continued learning about the music and had some teachers there who were also encouraging me as well.

00:06:57: came them show my first tries And yeah, it was very encouraging.

00:07:03: and then I applied in Oslo but i wasn't taken there.

00:07:06: But then had some friends who went to the Netherlands... ...to study music.. To study jazz playing.

00:07:15: Then first they went to Amsterdam.

00:07:18: one of them went to Rotterdam and I applied at Rotterdamm and got into Rotterdingen.

00:07:24: And that's when I was already twenty five years old so not young anymore sort of tried to compose so much that I knew what i needed to learn more about.

00:07:36: So, it was a way like coming home and then come the conservatory in Rotterdam because it could finally do what they really wanted to Do.

00:07:51: you have the feeling those first experiences with the bands on all these other more rock music?

00:07:57: still influencing your composition

00:07:59: style?

00:08:00: I think so, yeah.

00:08:01: Especially...I mean i was writing after out of my studies.

00:08:06: then the instrumental music and mostly chamber music or ensemble pieces.

00:08:11: but like ten years ago from now I started working with more with music theater And vocal music.

00:08:21: Then really this rock influences make use of them, let's say.

00:08:29: Songwriting experience because I have also had a songwriting band or rock music project parallel to the classical composing and now it sort in the Music Theatre.

00:08:41: then these two lines came together.

00:08:44: that is how i see myself.

00:08:47: So, how is it for you writing the voice?

00:08:49: Because I know that some composers also struggle with it and some really love it.

00:08:55: And because this voice was a very unique instrument

00:08:59: Yes!

00:08:59: It was...I tried sometimes.. I remember we had one of our tasks given at my composition studies in Rotterdam to write a piece for four singers or something.

00:09:13: Four singers and four instruments i believe.

00:09:15: And I think it took me a year just to find the text that i wanted to use.

00:09:22: I was looking and searching, going everywhere... Then I wrote one more piece then used poetry by poet actually novelist like very much called Harry Matthews American writer who died some years ago.

00:09:39: but he can talk about him in this interesting strange group of writers in Paris called Uli Po and I got permission to use some of his Haiku poems.

00:09:53: but that was the only times i wrote anything for voice actually because somehow, I wasn't never really asked then.

00:10:01: I didn't suggest it myself either!

00:10:04: But then...I started another study after freelancing for I think twelve years from between two thousand three and twenty fifteen freelancing after my bachelor's studies in Rotterdam and then I started masters at Oslo.

00:10:21: And we had a project to make chamber opera, so what if i just write the libretto myself?

00:10:31: Because I like to read and maybe try to write something... I can write some texts!

00:10:36: So let me see how this works.

00:10:39: I liked what happened, i wanted to do more of that and yeah so my way in into the vocal music is actually through my own words.

00:10:54: And uh are you right?

00:10:56: I'm busy at the moment with a new chamber opera and...I made a whole project an artistic doctorate here on Oslo some years back where it was about music and text written by the same person, uh...by me.

00:11:15: And with a special focus on everyday life as that theme let's say automatic area or field.

00:11:22: so yeah!

00:11:23: Then it has influenced sound of what I do in specific way using every day language like normal how people talk really something i still right into the music, composed everyday dialogues and stuff.

00:11:45: So there's always this sort of.

00:11:46: sometimes I let them have their performance speak to each other.

00:11:50: in some places they sing And it's all mixed In between feel like Sprechgesang or similar Or something that is only singing on one tone Something more melodic But also all sorts of variations On these texts That are supposed dialogues between people.

00:12:10: Long answer!

00:12:11: Yeah, wow... I mean also when i look at your biography you seem like a very multi-talented artist and that you write and enjoy it or that's your connection?

00:12:26: And i have had the pleasure to interview your wife Christina Tergeson.

00:12:31: she said her approach is in many ways So different than yours, but you also enjoy talking about how You perceive it and how you approach it.

00:12:44: And I find this interesting.

00:12:47: Also writing own texts because Especially with like music theater i also know many colleagues That that's also...I mean also Mozart!

00:12:59: He was always looking for a good Libertist or Richard Strauss because it's different.

00:13:07: if someone is a good author or writes great poetry, that doesn't mean this stuff is working on stage.

00:13:15: And sometimes I also heard stories where you know some whatever famous writer wrote something and... It was not helpful for staging it and putting into scene.

00:13:27: then they would leave things out but the authors were little offended, because they didn't use the text correctly and so on.

00:13:38: And if you find this that it really comes together is great.

00:13:42: but I also know quite a few composers in Germany who then also started writing their own texts Because like...I already see it all stage!

00:13:51: i have this visual..and what has to happen?

00:13:54: What needs to be?

00:13:55: whatever sun or spoken And so sometimes they end up with it, even though maybe there didn't think that... They're even talented at writing something.

00:14:08: So I totally understand that but your motivation seems to come from a different sport because you really enjoy riding!

00:14:17: It was not out of necessity and then you probably felt my text on music would be because also there are some composers that tell me if the text is too strong, they say why should I compose it?

00:14:34: It's already everything.

00:14:35: There... ...I cannot add anything and so there aren't challenges in using texts

00:14:42: or... Yes yes!

00:14:43: And i see a text for this stage as not finished text in sense of a poem or novel.

00:14:53: You can take down a book for and read the plays of Ipsen or whoever as a book, that works good.

00:15:03: But then you always think about how would this look like?

00:15:09: And it was made for that reason... ...and i think that the libretti that they make are not to be read on their own just like that.

00:15:23: It's at least not how I... I mean, they're made to be with more.

00:15:28: So it is a different type of text really!

00:15:32: I also don't always like to read song texts on LP covers.

00:15:36: you know have them printed and then i need to hear the music as well.

00:15:43: here and there its good one liner maybe or somebody said something smart but or nice phrase But mostly it's not to be read on its own, for me at least.

00:16:00: That is also an interesting point because I have experienced when people organize concerts some of them like printing out the texts that i sing and others don't And sometimes they just look into a program.

00:16:20: I think sometimes it's maybe nice to read it afterwards, and also when we go nowadays in an opera house.

00:16:28: We have the subtitles somewhere which is nice but i feel that im staring a lot

00:16:36: at

00:16:36: them And Im not sure if its draws my attention away from whats really happening on stage.

00:16:45: I mean, i tend to actually be very concerned with the understandability of the words.

00:16:52: Because it's a story you know?

00:16:57: One of my favorite pieces is Pleasant on Pli by Pierre Boulez and... ...I don't know anything about what this text is all about!

00:17:04: I don't need to know either because its Malamé and I've read that translation which also didn't understand.

00:17:11: that's not necessary, but I think to see something i have made is really meant.

00:17:20: you're supposed to follow the story and I was so happy they put these titles in operas because uh... The way of singing it's not always or the language.

00:17:29: It's not understandable for my ear if they sing in Italian Or even if they are still singing in English maybe we don't understand it And I think your opera didn't need.

00:17:41: not everybody needs, some people just like to listen into their voices and be in the spectacle.

00:17:46: And you still get an emotional impact of it I think.

00:17:51: but i feel bad if somebody tells me that they didn't hear what he said.

00:17:55: The best compliment was two old ladies who came with me.

00:17:58: we understood everything!

00:18:00: I mean...I made it!

00:18:04: Since already mentioned your multi-talented artist?

00:18:08: You also paint

00:18:09: right?!

00:18:10: I make drawings and I color them.

00:18:14: And then the question is for me if you have those areas, the music writing in the drawings how does it flow into your day?

00:18:24: Do everything on each day or are there faces... How do you do that?

00:18:31: Here i can show you take all this with me a little book called One Sketch A Day which is like a visual diary.

00:18:39: Your listeners will not see this now, but when I don't make a drawing and take a photo with my mobile phone... This is the drawing made by me with my eyes closed!

00:18:50: Something from a concert or touring abroad.

00:18:54: Here's an animal i saw in The Botanical Garden So-but..I try to do it every day.

00:19:00: have little dinks in this book And that's all I can manage with the drawing.

00:19:07: Then, they're writing and composing it... That is my work so i have to do it but ...I see nowadays as a work.

00:19:15: So I go through work too To these things.

00:19:19: When you write its already part of the composing.

00:19:21: or are there other situations where you just write texts without music?

00:19:26: Not at the moment no!

00:19:29: I've done this before in the past But nowadays I only write for my project, but in the middle of a big projects.

00:19:38: now we're making new chamber opera one hour so all my efforts go into that.

00:19:45: What words are concerned?

00:19:57: But I also write the instrumental music that is not part of the opera.

00:20:02: I'm working on a piece for VioLine Live Electronics, good friend of mine, Hanna Kjellbred commissioned this piece.

00:20:08: she's from Vio List.

00:20:10: Also i want to try and organize to release a record of my instrumental music!

00:20:19: I am in contact with an ensemble called Anst Sinfonietta here Oslo, and they have said yes.

00:20:25: And I have a record company who wants to release it... ...and i've now years of compositions to choose from!

00:20:34: Also write the new piece for this record.

00:20:37: at least that's the plan.

00:20:40: Great things coming up.

00:20:44: What are the qualities you most appreciate in your work?

00:20:48: I really like when they're just enthusiastic engaged in what they do to the best.

00:20:59: Yeah, I mean for The Music Theatre Project.

00:21:02: i select people that...I know can sing in a way I like and pronounce the text.

00:21:11: just have nice voices worked with some super nice people.

00:21:15: Since you also been around?

00:21:17: You already mentioned the Netherlands before we started talking.

00:21:22: I can let the people know that you speak very nicely German because they studied in Graz.

00:21:29: Thank-you, but i just lived there for two years... Well

00:21:34: it's a beautiful city!

00:21:35: I sang there last year at The Elevate Festival.

00:21:41: so i'm also curious how do you perceive then the Norwegian music scene or contemporary music?

00:21:49: compared to the other scenes you were able to meet.

00:21:53: I think seeing in Norway right now is very, very strong and it's so much going on that i cannot go to all the concerts...I would have liked to because there are so many of them especially in Oslo where I live.

00:22:09: really we will think this as a golden age.

00:22:13: when we look back There's a lot going on with new music and also with improvised music, and free jazz.

00:22:22: And it has been seen that I follow... ...and have even played a little bit on myself with some electronic synthesizer experiments!

00:22:37: It is just a good place in the good time to be at the moment.

00:22:40: i have to say

00:22:42: That was great.

00:22:44: And how do you approach

00:22:47: time management?

00:22:48: Or are you very structured or a more flowy person.

00:22:52: How to get everything done, what needs to be done.

00:22:55: I try not take on too many tasks!

00:23:01: I've learned that in the past and now days... It's no bad thing but i'm not asked much.

00:23:11: quite okay because like I've started initiating my own projects which i never did before, that was always asked and then now it's more in...in my own hands.

00:23:24: And that's good!

00:23:25: Uh..and I'm in the very lucky position to have a work scholarship from the state cultural arts council who has been very generous to me giving me three years.

00:23:36: In third of those three years.

00:23:37: so what happens next year?

00:23:38: I don't know really now what will happen then but yeah, i'm just feel extremely lucky and privileged actually.

00:23:47: So did the scholarship you're on or this state thing help to initiate your projects because it could more do... What maybe still was living in your heart?

00:24:01: Yes!

00:24:02: It helps me focus a lot on my projects, I don't need to go around and do other work.

00:24:09: So yeah it has really been a good help but time management is still a challenge because you'd need to keep going until the fact that the project often is very far into the future.

00:24:26: then we sort of make little small goals in the way.

00:24:30: there too have meetings and workshops.

00:24:33: It tends to happen that I worked very, very much on the last time before The Deadline finally comes.

00:24:45: So i try to be better in starting early.

00:24:49: so it's a challenge still after all this time.

00:24:53: Yeah for me as a singer usually also things come to me and um...I have something in Düsseldorf organize myself and the city gives me some money, but it's fun too.

00:25:07: But the only time I was maybe in a situation like you were during COVID because we had some scholarships for musicians... And there you could just do something musical about what he wanted.

00:25:23: so then i also looked at things that are always needed to be done.

00:25:29: Wow.

00:25:33: Yeah, that was great.

00:25:34: I remember the first time.

00:25:35: i mean we have this option possibility in Norway to apply for For they now has a status of doctorate Artistic research projects That are usually three years.

00:25:47: This is not their work scholarship but it's something I did before and there you It isn't been away like an artistic Scholarship at the same time also supposed to be research in a sort of academic way.

00:26:05: that means you write, produce reflection about what you do so that you can explain your methods or I mean whatever you want to focus on and at the same time have create artistic work.

00:26:19: And remember first time i applied for that?

00:26:22: I was suddenly faced with the question okay if you can't do anything you like Because before that I've only been thinking about single pieces, you know?

00:26:35: Like composition for five instruments.

00:26:37: Yeah great!

00:26:39: But now it's more... You have to think a bit bigger and i didn't get the first time so applied.

00:26:45: but still just writing down this all these sort of dream projects was very helpful for making smaller project again in coming years because then I became aware or what I was interested really be able.

00:26:59: And let's get

00:27:00: back to the question.

00:27:03: You started out, are you more structured or flowy?

00:27:06: Or do you think other than music?

00:27:09: I don't know.

00:27:09: walking around that keeps your balanced.

00:27:12: Yeah i cannot have too much structure because then I feel a bit claustrophobic and then tend to just break The rules I had all set for myself To sort of sneak out a little go for a walk.

00:27:27: Then it's nice to be able make drawings, actually because that is quickly made and you have a result very easily.

00:27:36: I mean if i write work now on my opera then can write five sentences but don't know where in the big piece they will be?

00:27:43: And take long time before hear them or idk what sort of writes.

00:27:46: So its nice this little options for making fast works recordings in my home studio here and... My workplace, actually two years ago I released digitally an album of electroacoustic music.

00:28:06: And that is also something i like to do quite spontaneously just record some things with my synthesizers or whatever sounds concrete sound.

00:28:14: so then build it together.

00:28:16: you can have this sort of ongoing backlog of unfinished projects.

00:28:23: That's more like something is popping up in your head and then you're able to sit down, say okay now this idea here.

00:28:29: I need to write it out or...

00:28:32: Yeah yeah i'll make a little recording or a little demo.

00:28:35: And maybe the demo itself is good an interesting impossible release.

00:28:40: Or maybe I think Okay that was nice idea.

00:28:42: what if I work a bit more on it?

00:28:44: And refine it and develop it further?

00:28:51: But it's important for me to have this sort of... ...to be able play and have fun with.

00:28:55: That is very important because so it gets very serious anyway, So also just do as a thing to enjoy.

00:29:07: I like the playful attitude We say that we played music.

00:29:16: I think it's awesome if this has the likeness, for some people.

00:29:20: It is not like that!

00:29:23: If you have this, then its adorable!

00:29:27: Like i said before... This is serious enough in many other ways so.. ..i cannot be too sad when i work.

00:29:38: Who or what played your greatest role in shaping and inspiring?

00:29:43: Other music.

00:29:44: really hearing music and loving it, thinking I want to do this too.

00:29:56: Maybe try make something that sounds as good or gives me a sense of joy.

00:30:09: That was perhaps my biggest inspiration always.

00:30:14: Yeah, hearing records first and later going to concerts.

00:30:20: when I moved to places where there were concerts because while i grew up it wasn't There was certainly no new music concerts.

00:30:26: They were other things happening.

00:30:28: And yeah you sort of had to make the music yourself if you wanted to hear that.

00:30:35: That has also shaped my practice Because actually When we look back at our first bands We had me I have only later found out that those who start to play music in groups they try and learn their favorite songs, cover them.

00:30:55: But we didn't do it!

00:30:56: We made our own song since the beginning.

00:30:59: It was sort of natural because this band had that kind of songs And the other bands Iron Maiden sound like Iron Maidan and Kiss at Kiss songs.

00:31:09: This is what we grew up with Because it's just natural play, you also make the music without.

00:31:19: And to sort of just create the culture.

00:31:23: and we even made concerts that were very small and low key but people came in heard it was a little note-in-the-news paper.

00:31:36: It sounds like water!

00:31:37: That always finds its way.

00:31:41: I grew up small village close to Nuremberg, and it was obvious very early that I liked singing.

00:31:50: And i was singing quite well but there was also nothing around not in my village...and then my mother she's somehow convinced a woman who is doing some music classes or for children?

00:32:05: She said you have to find a choir because my daughter needs to sing!

00:32:10: And then she actually did and I went into this choir, there were other children.

00:32:15: But the thing was that...I think it took a few months and then i kind of outgrew this choir.

00:32:20: so..i think the choir still existed but my mother than looked for different place for me!

00:32:28: Then she found very good.

00:32:31: yeah they are high quality doing professional stuff.

00:32:36: in Nuremberg they practiced in the, or their rehearsals were in The Opera House.

00:32:45: And that was then when The Opera house needed children for the children parts and whatever, Carmen Turandot, Labohem and so on... They would get them from us!

00:32:56: So I was like eleven and i was standing at the opera stage of Nuremberg.

00:33:02: That turned out very well but it's crazy how my mother found those things then for me.

00:33:12: And also when I studied them in the United States after Munich, but I did my Bachelor and Master's in North America.

00:33:22: It was a very expensive studies... ...and i got a little scholarship that my parents gave it to me.

00:33:31: The rest of it had to get somehow together which now looking back is what big wonder in my life.

00:33:40: And then it was also kind of an advantage that I was on this little village, because when i gave a concert every time I was home and the summer In our church no admission they could give what they wanted.

00:33:57: Later we realized It's the smartest move I could Because there were people like doctors or pharmacists who would ever give me big sums because they found it so exciting that I'm starting in the

00:34:10: U.S.,

00:34:11: and maybe then the advantage of this smaller village, because they were so proud!

00:34:16: Oh my god she's studying music in The United

00:34:19: States?

00:34:20: Yeah yeah... It works like that ...it can work like that.

00:34:27: So where someone wants to do

00:34:33: something somehow you find a way I saw one of your questions was, what does success mean for you?

00:34:40: And when people ask me this.

00:34:44: I like to quote Ni-Liang says that success is to continue.

00:34:48: it's... That the most important thing not just give up and stop but keep doing what it is.

00:35:00: The other question we had which tip to give to young artists.

00:35:04: I think it's in a way, difficult to give a general rule for because what one person needs to hear is can be bad for the other ones.

00:35:13: but i think talent isn't so important.

00:35:16: and not just giving up at least if you want to do composing its good actually like doing every day to enjoy the work and of course have an eye towards their result that you're aiming at.

00:35:37: but usually people are smart enough too, understand anyway.

00:35:43: So yeah my thoughts about this!

00:35:47: And what does it mean for you be true yourself or authentic in music business?

00:35:52: How do your keep true to yourselves?

00:35:53: Yeah I've been so lucky i could actually make a living out Work that I think is quite personal and I understood That it's quite early.

00:36:07: But, i need to just be free And make what makes me enthusiastic To have my own curiosity on board and go where that takes Because otherwise It doesn't get any interesting.

00:36:26: So the good thing about dealing with contemporary artists that you are supposed to be yourself and be free, at least more or less.

00:36:39: I think i have not had any experience with curators interfering in what is being made.

00:36:49: it's... we also don't have very big audiences but trade that with the freedom I can feel because it's a necessity really.

00:37:04: Is this also the freedom?

00:37:05: what drives you forward?

00:37:07: The freedom is the room, but if its a driving force i'm not sure... It just has to be there!

00:37:26: There is, because I have also had periods where I've felt less of that driving force and not always know what to do.

00:37:35: And i think it's sort of... What I talked about before?

00:37:39: It has a kind of vision for work or sound reality you want to hear stronger than just liking it.

00:37:56: It's really a sense of something that is necessary, but this isn't always... That wish or desire isn't there and then can be quite hard at least for someone like me to actually get something done.

00:38:10: Or I used very long time in crossing out and starting again from scratch And searching not really finding more difficult side of it and you never know when it gets difficult or any things are just... When your sort-of finding what you're looking for.

00:38:33: It also has to do with technique, knowing what you doing but is very exciting not everything.

00:38:41: that's where I like the thing.

00:38:43: i don't really knows so well because then we discover as go along.

00:38:48: It could be that I wanted to or needed to start writing, using my own words in the composing because... ...I need a new challenge.

00:38:57: That's what i've thought about sometimes.

00:39:00: Yeah you already answered my last question but.. I came up with another question and am kind of curious.

00:39:07: maybe it is personal But its interesting for Oda this enough Because your married two composer How his life was another composer?

00:39:18: Yeah, that's very interesting.

00:39:22: Right now it is happening with her.

00:39:27: My wife Kristina Kjögerstens work in demand so we are travelling a lot When I can always travel together when she goes to festivals and performances abroad also at Norway.

00:39:47: It's a lot of travelling, and I've had to try develop methods... ...to be able work while we are on the road.

00:39:58: Which can be a challenge!

00:40:01: But you get see lots other music because when there is festival.. ..you don't only see your own concert but go as much as possible And also meet other artists Our organizers, it's very exciting life.

00:40:20: It is really good!

00:40:22: Have you talked a lot about your music?

00:40:25: Or are more like in the process of doing things and then the piece is ready or...?

00:40:31: I sometimes don't want to talk so much about what i'm working on... ...it's a way of protecting them a bit.

00:40:38: They're not always ready for seeing the light of day.

00:40:43: they need to sort of grow a bit strong before I show them to anybody else.

00:40:48: that includes my wife, even though she's very supportive.

00:40:52: She is also a teacher and she used talking with students.

00:40:58: but yeah... That was for me personality.

00:41:05: it can be dangerous too early work Even yeah,

00:41:11: I totally understand.

00:41:12: sometimes you have to be with it on your own and And you probably mean.

00:41:19: You seem to be also very intuitive so that you will feel if you need some.

00:41:23: I don't know impact or mirroring Or something we're like.

00:41:28: where could this go?

00:41:30: Yeah It's good to have an important people talk about discuss things within show showing things too.

00:41:39: Yeah,

00:41:40: that sometimes happens also when I founded this podcast.

00:41:45: And the cool, because I always knew it will be a little broader than just new music.

00:42:12: It was at a coffee house with two friends and i was like...I don't know how to call my podcast!

00:42:18: Then we kind of jumped around.

00:42:20: then suddenly one of those friends.

00:42:22: she said this name and i'm like..this is perfect.

00:42:25: yeah that's great.

00:42:28: well thank you so much for this great conversation.

00:42:32: Wish you a great day and maybe we see each other around.

00:42:37: That would be good, thank you!

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