00:00:09: Can you do that podcast?

00:00:13: That is a classical singing, but nowadays I sing lots of contemporary and experimental music.

00:00:18: However...I actually like singing both!

00:00:21: And i also like combining both styles in

00:00:24: the program.

00:00:25: If You would

00:00:25: Like to know more about me please look at my website www.ieke or ke.de.

00:00:37: That would be so wonderful to be connected with you also on that way and You will know everything I'm doing because i am doing a lot.

00:00:46: Yes in this podcast, I talk about themes all around contemporary music.

00:00:52: I share with you the behind-the-scenes insider knowledge.

00:00:56: And what is most important to me?

00:00:59: I bring you through human beings out of this world closer.

00:01:07: And in today's episode, I'm talking to Kristina Tjorgysen.

00:01:11: She is a composer from Norway and she's

00:01:15: having

00:01:16: her premiere with the Verde Erse symphony orchestra in Cologne on the twenty ninth of May... ...and she has written a new piece for this orchestra!

00:01:27: It has the name Wohlpartinger.

00:01:29: So

00:01:30: let's dive into this talk that we find out how Christina is composing, how she got into composing

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00:01:39: everything about this piece.

00:01:41: Volproptinger for the twenty-ninth of May in Cologne!

00:01:46: Hello and good morning!

00:01:50: I'm so excited to talk with you today on my podcast Neue Musikleben.

00:01:53: Yes it's nice

00:01:54: to be here And i am always thankful that we have nowadays, because you're in Norway and I'm Germany.

00:02:05: And we can still talk about great things... ...and eventually also the premier you are doing with the Verdi Air Symphony Orchestra.

00:02:14: But first i would like to know from how did your way into new experimental music?

00:02:23: because I grew up where i am now actually at the south coast of Norway and it's a really tiny place.

00:02:28: It is not a village, but just...it´s a place by the ocean!

00:02:34: But um..I listened a lot to the radio when I was a kid And there was this experimental radio program that I really loved.

00:02:43: Then I recorded on cassette player Listened all the time.

00:02:50: But I didn't think about that this was experimental music or anything, i just loved music.

00:02:55: and i also started to play clarinet in a school band here when i was seven or eight...and i played a lot of clarinets!

00:03:05: And uh..i don't know....I think it was just a huge love for music that you just want to know more and dig deeper into it.

00:03:15: So, when I started playing clarinet... It was first a classical and then as high school i listened to Stravinsky, Bartok, Gossel do all these things.

00:03:29: And then you start listening to the twentieth century music.

00:03:34: so..it's very natural for me clarinet lessons in Oslo.

00:03:41: My teacher was actually the Cicada ensemble of Bork and he taught me how to play multiphonics on clarinets, that's when I decided i wanted to be a clarinet player!

00:03:53: So then it was okay no way back...I just want to play contemporary music..and because I was really naive from this tiny place everybody played contemporary music at the academy not classical.

00:04:09: This is really strange.

00:04:10: So I was so shocked when i started there, I was licks to experimental pop and rock And just wanted to play Contemporary music on my clarinet.

00:04:18: Then it's like Brahms, Beto & Mozart All these things...I wasn't allowed to play contemporary music.

00:04:27: They always say that they have to wait But then yeah..I played in anyways.

00:04:34: That was the way into it.

00:04:35: Just loved it.

00:04:36: It was just my passion immediately, I don't know.

00:04:40: That didn't have to find a way which just happens naturally.

00:04:44: It's always great when it just happens.

00:04:46: and so when you had to play all this classical repertory now looking back would you also think that it helped in someway or kind of made the picture whole?

00:04:58: Of course, I really love the classical music.

00:05:02: It's a huge part of me and also think like when I compose for orchestra.

00:05:08: it is there because i've played so much orchestra music And been working in Orchestra from many years.

00:05:15: So...I really love it!

00:05:18: But I think its important to play both.

00:05:24: I also like both, but for me the way was... The other round.

00:05:27: I started classical singing and at first i didn't know that would end up in this contemporary field But it gave a very solid technique That can do anything you want.

00:05:42: Also coming from another side must be exciting.

00:05:45: to add the classical playing techniques.

00:05:51: I always played the classical techniques and i love practicing these basic techniques.

00:05:57: It's so...I've always loved it, its um..i love practising!

00:06:02: And especially the most like a basic stuff.

00:06:06: Its really zen to get into this state of mind that you can practice in small details.

00:06:19: And how did she then get to the composing part from playing the clarinet?

00:06:23: That's very strange because I feel that i worked so hard to become a clarinet player.

00:06:29: It was like really blood sweat and tears, and I practiced so many hours every day... ...and never thought it would be good enough anyway!

00:06:39: But with the compo-sing you just... It was yeah, maybe at the end of my master's clarinet studies or when I finished.

00:06:50: I started to make some music But i didn't thought it was making music because I played in some contemporary music groups and then made some for my group And Then they asked For more and suddenly other people ask for a piece and I just started to make pieces.

00:07:11: It was actually quite easy, I don't know.

00:07:15: it was freedom for me...it was freedom to compose because clarinet i felt really influenced by teachers that wanted to please everybody.

00:07:28: And also when you play in orchestra You have to fit-in!

00:07:34: But with the composing I could be free and make the music inside of me.

00:07:42: It was not so easy on my clarinet because it was influenced by all teachers in a way.

00:07:50: And also Karula Baukot plays big role here, because i played lots for her music... We played with Asa Musimosa, her clarinettentrio.

00:08:03: And I was a huge fan of her music and we played for rehearsal... ...and after this rehearsal she asked me like ''Christine do you

00:08:12: compose?''.

00:08:13: And i was like ''How did you know

00:08:16: that?''.

00:08:17: It wasn't..I didn´t call myself composer or anything!

00:08:21: She asked if we could go for dinner so she asked to bring my music.

00:08:26: Then she looked at the scores asked me to invite and meet the stud with her in Linz, to study Masters.

00:08:35: And I was so shocked!

00:08:36: How are you kidding?

00:08:40: It's amazing that you got discovered or people... You said it was easy but there is support immediately could see your talent.

00:08:55: then i started take myself seriously and I started to study there.

00:09:00: So, i don't have so much background like...I haven't studied composition..i dont' have any rules!

00:09:09: I havent learned the rules in a way.

00:09:11: I just always loved scores And studies course and play music.

00:09:19: That's great when you talk with people like me on this podcast particularly To hear how individual the ways and the paths are.

00:09:29: And that composition can be so much freedom comparing to playing an instrument, because I often thought people sometimes ask me too if i would compose and so far...I cannot imagine it at all!

00:09:43: Because what I enjoy as an interpreter is to dig into different pieces in different styles.

00:09:50: It's like putting a new dress on each time and I really enjoy that.

00:09:56: And i think the hardest decision for me would be, I might have ideas to choose...to say okay this is the one I'm choosing now!

00:10:04: But like..I cannot do it!

00:10:07: This was maybe the opposite of freedom?

00:10:10: Yeah because you have to take a lot decisions but ...you can play around while composing because you have different mediums, like the orchestra and you can make music theatre.

00:10:24: You could go crazy with some visuals or yeah fun for me.

00:10:32: it's not always fun but I try to get in contact?

00:10:38: Yeah, I don't know.

00:10:42: It's good

00:10:44: to hear it that is so free and wide and exciting!

00:10:49: And since you are a musician yourself, a clarinet player do have the feeling that you can relate more to the performers?

00:10:58: How they feel or what might challenge them how to pick them up.

00:11:01: because i find this also skill-good some composers has when your in rehearsal I mean, you can do it in a very nice encouraging way but also be a little... I think Karola since i worked with her too.

00:11:22: She does that as well and always helps me to bring out really what she wants.

00:11:29: But this is really a skill!

00:11:32: Yeah..I think alot about the musicians when they make music It's important for them to feel comfortable playing it.

00:11:40: okay you have to push maybe somebody a little bit.

00:11:43: but also i think it's especially interesting and with the orchestra because I know how it is to sit in an orchestra.

00:11:51: You should have like deep respect for the orchestra musicians, Because its really special... Really special and amazing job.

00:11:59: It's a really hard job.

00:12:02: And I know that everybody wants to do their best and in an orchestra you never want to stick out or get pointed at, doing this better or differently.

00:12:12: so yeah the way they make people feel comfortable.

00:12:16: playing contemporary music is very important too find ways where it feels like something else.

00:12:26: I mean,

00:12:28: that's also a very important point you're touching on because when...I mean.

00:12:35: You have worked in an orchestra and i know you've written already for orchestra before but this is also new experience of some composers.

00:12:45: And how to talk or the player into the conductor do what you want and maybe oftentimes there are not that many rehearsals, so you may be have to focus on what is most important.

00:13:01: And since both sides... I mean also lots of composers who were listening here or young composers still studying somewhere What would an advice give?

00:13:15: how to communicate with the orchestra?

00:13:18: It's very important that you know what your doing and if we put contemporary music techniques or some new stuff, You really have to know how it is played.

00:13:32: And I often meet many... players, orchestra players and also really classical players.

00:13:38: And try out everything!

00:13:40: I find very good notation.

00:13:42: i hope... Try my very best to find a very good intuitive notation for experimental things.

00:13:51: so it looks very tempting to play because i know that i love the craft of a score or how to write music.

00:14:04: the score looks tempting.

00:14:06: Like I love playing nice scores myself.

00:14:12: and yeah.

00:14:13: so i think to be very clear, really know what you want it sound like because if you are there but cannot be unsure in front of an orchestra then they will eat you!

00:14:25: You really have to know everything that you do and all the techniques, you know how it is produced.

00:14:35: You have to try out yourself.

00:14:37: I tried to play most of the instrument myself And all the percussion techniques i could play myself Just so that I know with my body How do...how to do it?

00:14:50: or yeah Tryout.

00:14:51: So I know what's difficult How to have fingers Or a string instrument.

00:14:59: Amazing

00:14:59: that you try out all the other instruments as well.

00:15:02: You're a genius!

00:15:04: I have so many instruments at my studio, Many of my students like to go through my studio because then they can try-out on all kinds of instruments.

00:15:14: I've been collecting...

00:15:17: Since we are already talking about orchestra pieces let's talk about Wolperttinger, The premiere which will be on May the twenty ninth in Gullo with the WDR Symphony Orchestra.

00:15:28: And I just looked up because i had no clue what wallpatinger is, so I have to admit and it's a rabbit that has special features.

00:15:38: It's kind of a fantasy rabbit or hybrid rabbit...

00:15:43: We don't have to be a rabbit actually!

00:15:45: It

00:15:50: just can be an animal because when I looked it up at the internet, it showed me first the rabbit with wings and horns.

00:15:59: Yeah

00:16:00: okay so that could mean anything.

00:16:02: So what is world particular in your piece?

00:16:06: I felt like this waltperting gave me a lot of freedom because the other pieces, orchestra piece i made is or many of my pieces placed on a special place.

00:16:17: Or I'm exploring for example The Last Piece I Made For Veda.

00:16:21: This pelagic dreamscape was placed in the röst island in the north of Norway.

00:16:30: and all this, I stayed there.

00:16:32: I listened to all the sound environment And it's really specific Place that you are... That the audience is going too.

00:16:41: But with this woodpeating i wanted to be a bit crazy.

00:16:45: Just mix different animal sounds To create an new animal With the orchestra.

00:16:51: In a way they're really hybrid animals.

00:16:55: It was strange because in München, working with the orchestra there.

00:17:00: And then I got this question from Marie Chaco if i wanted to make this piece and Then I went into the city and I went past a cafe... ...and saw these crazy stuffed animals In the window!

00:17:17: Oh my god what is this crazy thing?

00:17:19: And I went inside there and said.. ..I'm sorry but WHAT IS

00:17:22: THIS?!

00:17:23: And they said oh it's wool putting on!

00:17:27: Okay, that's the name of the orchestra piece.

00:17:31: So it happens really quickly and then I started to read about it.

00:17:39: It was actually like two hundred years ago or more in the Bavarian Forest.

00:17:46: It was some taxidermists that made these special creatures, put together of rabbits and the birds.

00:18:01: They have wings they can have antlers... Many different parts of animals were put together And I met this creature in forest.

00:18:10: it actually exists.

00:18:12: people started to believe And yeah, but it looks crazy.

00:18:18: I went to this hunt and fishing museum in München last year... ...and they had the biggest collection of these.

00:18:27: Actually both two of them myself!

00:18:30: It's what i thought you should have bought then.

00:18:32: or maybe the orchestra will give one more?

00:18:34: I have two different ones in my living room.

00:18:37: it looks kind of crazy and i feel they're a kind of alive.

00:18:40: I have to say hello when i'm getting home because they look really like... And then you are going to jump.

00:18:48: So, so

00:18:50: cool!

00:18:51: You had fun writing this piece?

00:18:53: Is there anything else that would tell us about the pieces other than everybody should go in listen to them?

00:18:59: Yeah for me Because these hybrid animals are from all over the world, they have this in different cultures.

00:19:07: So it's not only the Bavarians that has this but you find them in America and Asia where there is a lot of different animals put together.

00:19:20: so I have animals from all around the world And many strange animals.

00:19:25: don't think this sounds like koala bear.

00:19:27: Do you know how it sounds?

00:19:29: They do!

00:19:31: special sound and yeah, flying foxes and Tasmanian devil and the hummingbirds and fish owl.

00:19:40: Yeah many different but you can't... You don't have to know that it is an animal.

00:19:45: It's music too.

00:19:47: So

00:19:47: you also looked for sounds like some kind of

00:19:52: animals?

00:19:52: I dunno!

00:19:52: Its filled with beauty Some are really melodies And its a big mix.

00:20:00: So it's like beauty and grotesque, wild and rhythmic.

00:20:06: And I also actually used my...I have an old Casio keyboard!

00:20:10: ...and uh.. I used some rhythm boxes in this casio key to put together.

00:20:15: It would be fun if the orchestra sounded like a casio keyboard at one point.

00:20:21: so yeah i think i gave myself a lot of freedom for this piece since yeah....i could put all these different things together, yeah.

00:20:32: Sounds really amazing.

00:20:34: and you're in Sweden also often curious how... And with the scene of Germany being performed here You've got The Siemens Prize and you studied at Linz.

00:20:47: What is it's different?

00:20:50: In Norway?

00:20:50: or what can you say about the contemporary music scene there compared to Germany Austria?

00:20:57: I think what's special here in Norway is that the different scenes are working a lot together, like it's an experimental jazz scene.

00:21:07: It's a huge thing in Norway.

00:21:10: and folk music of course classical and pop-experimental pop.

00:21:17: we're having concerts to get their replay on each other's records.

00:21:21: We make pieces together with small clubs.

00:21:27: Yeah, it's not like in Berlin.

00:21:30: I've felt maybe you have this small place with only this style and then here is the one with that style.

00:21:36: but especially in Oslo where i live its a really big mix And people are listening to each other music so they get very inspired by eachother.

00:21:47: So...I think thats super nice.

00:21:51: It has many good musicians now And yeah, music life.

00:21:59: It's every day.

00:22:00: it is something I want to go and listen too.

00:22:02: It really amazing!

00:22:05: That is really amazing that you can put all those styles together...I've seen them in other countries also like Great Britain or so..and i think we Germans are still kind of ordered.

00:22:19: as you said there's this place, they're at the same place.

00:22:22: let see if it can change

00:22:24: too.

00:22:25: Yeah but this is also nice.

00:22:27: Everything, it's all so good!

00:22:29: And I assume you're still playing the clarinet?

00:22:33: You were teaching and told me how do get everything done or keep balance with composing where time structures are different phases in which its more playing or composing.

00:22:47: Actually

00:22:48: i'm not playing that much anymore.

00:22:51: So... It really rare.

00:22:53: play concerts.

00:22:55: Now it's a little bit... now I only have one ensemble, its Ensemble Neon that i played together with.

00:23:01: but it is really rare!

00:23:02: It takes so much time to get into this shape the standard I want to have.

00:23:07: So it´s hard when playing.

00:23:08: But actually I play alot when I compose Then I need my musicality and also sing alot When I compose And play all kinds of instruments.

00:23:20: Yeah, I try not to think so much in a way.

00:23:26: In some periods of the composing and... yeah i need to stay in touch with my intuitive musicality by playing

00:23:36: but

00:23:37: how do you manage your time?

00:23:38: So you

00:23:38: play while you compose!

00:23:40: Yes

00:23:42: like cool mm-hmm And I record when I play more Often I make the whole piece by playing instruments and sing, And i have it in my Pro Tools.

00:23:56: So when you have a sound sketch before I start to write it down

00:24:01: That's cool!

00:24:02: It is probably...I mean.. I can assume that its also then as we said tempting for the performer to play because of experience when composers can sing what they have written and like as I'm a singer.

00:24:19: And, i mean it doesn't have to be the whatever-the most beautiful sound but they can do it!

00:24:24: Then there's also music that I can approach in way easier because sometimes if you're feeling it is just invented into your head often has different quality when presented too.

00:24:39: And so your main focus is nowadays on composing then?

00:24:48: Yeah, it's very demanding.

00:24:50: So I work

00:24:52: seven

00:24:52: days a week all the time with composing and also to compose.

00:24:58: It's much more than only to create... ...it's so much to organize in an older project.. ..and there are really lots of things that you can do.

00:25:12: Do you have certain times in the day or does it

00:25:15: change?

00:25:16: For me, It's so important to Have them mornings for create and not Because then...for Me I'm really fresh In my head when i wake up And before one o'clock To have this as holy Not having any appointments Or..I try to not read email put my phone off and just have to so I can be very focused on composing.

00:25:47: And not be disturbed because when you start reading emails or news, it's really hard to get into this deep concentration.

00:25:55: So yeah

00:25:57: To get like five hours of something Yeah then i'm really lucky.

00:26:02: but if I got two hours or I don't know without any disturbance Then its amazing.

00:26:09: But when I start to write down things, it's more technical than... then i can get more disturbed.

00:26:17: Then I don't need this totally super focus because in more technical.

00:26:23: but yeah.. To create you really needs headspace and peace and quiet for me.

00:26:31: You really know yourself that what is needed to get things done.

00:26:36: And so you also have like an overall plan that, I mean... You probably know how much time you need for an orchestra piece and every composer is different?

00:26:46: I also know that Karola told me once she's kind of a slow composer!

00:26:53: So everyone is different.

00:26:55: Everyone is different.

00:26:56: but i think my discipline from practicing clarinet because you cannot sit there and wait for inspiration to practice as a player.

00:27:05: You just go there, and your practice...you'll just start!

00:27:08: And I think that's very different from people who are composers in the beginning.

00:27:14: I don't know if they have never played instruments on high level?

00:27:18: They can just sit here and wait with inspiration or something for long time.

00:27:23: but i just start.

00:27:29: I think it worked a lot.

00:27:31: It can work very fast because i get into this flow as the way you would have practice an instrument in a way.

00:27:40: And is there anything that you do to kind of balance out sitting down and composing?

00:27:45: Do you enjoy nature or are you having Norway?

00:27:49: Yeah, I walk alot!

00:27:50: I think walking is important for me when I compose Because... ...I make music then I have to walk Then I don't listen music or anything.

00:28:00: I don't listen to podcasts, i just have to think about the music.

00:28:04: yeah singing in my head like uh... The music that..I'm creating and sometimes I sing into my phone.

00:28:12: people think im talking on the phone And then I'd go around singing Or talking about next part of a piece.

00:28:20: That's

00:28:20: cool!

00:28:20: You already recorded it.

00:28:22: Then you can write it down as your tone.

00:28:26: Great.

00:28:27: And who or what has played the greatest role in shaping you and what inspires?

00:28:32: I think to grow up in a place that nothing happens, very small places have shaped me because i do everything myself listening to radio play clarinet with recording myself on cassette playing duets and also to be a lot in the nature with my parents.

00:28:59: And they showed me really too, look at these small details of nature... Yeah this have shaped me a lot!

00:29:07: Also that um.. They started his music school In Tvedestrand The nearest small town when I was nine or something and then Clarenet teacher moved here.

00:29:19: Astrid Holm.

00:29:20: she is amazing.

00:29:22: so i start it.

00:29:23: if She didn't move here.

00:29:25: I don't know if i would have become a clarinet player, but she was amazing.

00:29:30: So yeah

00:29:31: that's so nice how it all falls into place

00:29:36: And also Karula Baukot plays a big role in my life That she believed in me like she saw me and believe that I could do this.

00:29:45: Yeah, I really trusted her judgment that i could do this.

00:29:51: And that is also so important to meet people like that because oftentimes we don't see whatever the beauty or their talent in our self but if someone else sees it and kind of holds it for us then we can go... That's amazing!

00:30:07: It's a great

00:30:08: gift.

00:30:08: yeah Also my husband he's also a composer And we talk together about what you are doing.

00:30:18: We travel and do this in a way, so it's nice to not be alone.

00:30:25: Wonderful!

00:30:25: I don't like that.

00:30:27: Wonderful, wonderful... You also already mentioned your singing a lot?

00:30:35: How would say is the approach for composing for voice?

00:30:38: because I obviously love composers who write for voice because they get so good, but i also know that some composers are struggling with it or even want to avoid.

00:30:50: So how do you approach?

00:30:53: Do you have an advice from people who're still kind of struggling?

00:30:57: For me...I feel like I'm mainly a instrumental composer and the.

00:31:04: It took me quite a long time to start to write for voice because, for my text is really hard.

00:31:11: Because I don't know... For music it's not about the texts!

00:31:16: I remember Jenny Wall as she was one of my best friends and she's like fantastic pop, experimental pop artist.

00:31:25: And she writes amazing texts.

00:31:27: but I told her that i never listened to the text when I listen to music and she got so disappointed That I didn't.

00:31:36: Oh yeah.

00:31:37: But for me...I like to tell a story with sound Like To not have any text?

00:31:46: It's a bit limited with text.

00:31:50: I made two pieces with voice now and some, i have some orchestra piece with humming.

00:31:59: But um...I love the voice.

00:32:01: it's really because inside The human is so special And everybody has different voices.

00:32:11: So yeah It must be special for one.

00:32:14: you are creating this piece.

00:32:17: I've been looking to working with two amazing singers, Juliet Frasier and Sili Akerjonsen.

00:32:34: They're great songs we can do but it's also interesting.

00:32:36: maybe for some people that is a good advice.

00:32:39: if the text is blocking you just propose without texts!

00:32:45: And I mean, Karola also didn't compose so much text.

00:32:50: The pieces that are done there... She's a very sound-oriented person and what she looks for in the voice is quite different than other composers do but it's great stuff!

00:33:05: But really because my husband writes music theatre and opera his own text, that it's amazing.

00:33:16: And yeah for him this is the natural way of telling stories like.

00:33:21: it's about storytelling but to me it's easy to tell stories without a text because for me its limiting But For Him It's really liberating you know?

00:33:31: So Its super interesting!

00:33:32: It Is very Interesting.

00:33:34: Wow Yeah and what does it mean for You To Be True To Yourself or Authentic in This Music Business?

00:33:44: I think this is very important, and... ...I don't think about being true to myself.

00:33:50: I don't feel like it's a problem in any way for me.

00:33:55: It was the clarinet player that felt I wasn't true at all And i played a lot of music That didn't feel as if you were going out and taking some clothes.

00:34:08: You really feel strange walking around with these clothes And I've found myself when i started to compose and that's When, I started to be true in Myself.

00:34:24: What?

00:34:24: I wanted To do so Yeah but to Be True with Yourself I think it'S So Important to Unknowledge Yourself and Think what you are doing is and what You Are Carrying With You Is Special and also give it, I think that is something you should give away.

00:34:44: It's not only for you...it's something to give more people!

00:34:49: And yeah..I think you should do what your love and find what you love then....and do that.

00:35:00: Actually a praise from the music there at the piece which i made about Ingve Malmsteen.

00:35:07: Yeah, he's tried to find his way into life and I will listen a lot of interviews with Ingvar Maunsten.

00:35:15: He is not like the nicest person maybe And in the end they say do what you love!

00:35:25: You can't sit around and worry about.

00:35:27: other people may think So...you have to express but YOU want to express!

00:35:32: You only live once.

00:35:34: so i think this from me actually that you cannot worry so much.

00:35:38: You just have to do what you think is right for you and also listen, support others and Listen as much music as possible because it's how your learn is be a part of community.

00:35:54: Support Others And Be Interested in Others.

00:35:58: I Think That Is The Most Interesting As Others.

00:36:02: For Me Myself Is Not Interest boring, but I think other people are super interesting and yeah to be open and curious about others' music.

00:36:15: Other people.

00:36:17: it's making life rich!

00:36:22: That is also interesting with your story that the clarinet or playing clarinets felt so different.

00:36:28: then there was this freeing process through something which matched you even more or even the clarinet led you to this.

00:36:37: I mean, everything is good for something and... Or your no more very understanding with other musicians in the orchestra.

00:36:46: so great stuff!

00:36:47: And he said it focuses on all those gifts.

00:36:52: and yeah there's so much truth in what you just said.

00:36:57: What does success means for you?

00:37:01: Success is to feel good about yourself or I don't know, to have friends is...to have success.

00:37:10: To be a part of community and um..I don't actually what success it's because....to have a good life i feel very privileged.

00:37:24: Or to do.....To able compose or express myself.

00:37:29: and maybe that's success to be able do it.

00:37:33: And I think the success is never give up, because there are so many times when i could have given up!

00:37:40: And just continue... So success is not ever give up.. Just move on and try enjoy what you're doing and also see people around you with friends or family.

00:38:01: I like listening to you and your not boring at all!

00:38:06: At least for me.

00:38:09: Is there anything that drives forward?

00:38:11: Do they have a kind of vision?

00:38:15: Maybe it's just never give up, but i feel so many pieces inside Things that wants to come out.

00:38:26: and now I just finished this woodpeating a some days ago And now, I just want to start the new orchestra piece.

00:38:34: I don't know it maybe sounds crazy.

00:38:36: That's all these two.

00:38:38: my husband he was like oh well, that's great.

00:38:43: Yeah, I

00:38:45: feel its bubbling.

00:38:47: i'm looking forward too the next pieces and I'm looking forward to work with musicians.

00:38:53: It, i think that drive me forwards is this meeting points with them... To meet people through music because that's a very special meeting.

00:39:03: also when you play together it's really special how you get to know people when you're playing like with the friends I have from when I played chamber music and stuff ...it's a Very special friendship Because we are there together playing without words.

00:39:18: amazing.

00:39:19: And I also love these meetings with musicians all over the world and composers, audience music lovers...I think it's so important to make music because it keeps us being human!

00:39:43: and spread it as much as possible, like good stuff.

00:39:47: Positivity and curiosity.

00:39:51: Yeah wonderful!

00:39:53: And we actually arrived at the last question.

00:39:57: you already said so many great things but maybe you can add something else.

00:40:02: which tip would you like to give young artists?

00:40:04: I think that must be what i've already said too never give up just continue because I think that's the main thing for everybody.

00:40:17: That is great art and all, yeah It's to just don't give up And be curious about people around you and support others.

00:40:27: Be a part of community And um...be curious About other people or music.

00:40:34: Listen as much possible To music and learn.

00:40:39: Yeah because it also important to learn the craft so you are able to do, to express yourself.

00:40:47: So yeah... You're able to that and never gave up!

00:40:56: Well I thank you for this great conversation today And i wish you a wonderful performance in May with the VDX Symphony Orchestra and this wonderful animal Volper Tinger And I hope i see you one day.

00:41:13: Yes!

00:41:14: In

00:41:14: person?

00:41:15: Yeah, I hope we meet.

00:41:16: That would be great.

00:41:18: This

00:41:19: was the interview from today And

00:41:40: please

00:41:41: tell your friends and colleagues about this podcast.

00:41:45: I thank you very much!